#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-03-21

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[01:08:20] <buildmaster> i686/libxres are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[02:17:16] <buildmaster> i686/paps are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[03:56:12] <buildmaster> i686/kaudiocreator is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[05:36:24] <buildmaster> i686/libpagemaker is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[07:20:40] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[07:20:40] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[07:20:42] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> wow: my first wayland experience of the blury kind (in libvirt).. there is a small black line moving from the top to the bottom of the screen.. an homage to old CRT monitors, I suppose. ;-)
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[07:20:48] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[07:20:49] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[07:20:50] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> windows suggests swap on external usb sticks :-)
[07:20:53] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[07:20:55] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[07:21:01] <abaumann> internet rules. :-)
[07:21:12] <deep42thought> looks, like I landed in the 20th century: IPv6 does not work yet/anymore
[07:21:29] <abaumann> so, the telegraph works again? ;-)
[07:21:38] <abaumann> back to morse alphabet.
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[07:27:31] <abaumann> tyzoid: git.archlinux32.org - I'm really all for either monitoring certificates for expiry or doing the updates automatically
[07:27:48] <deep42thought> abaumann: they are monitored
[07:27:49] <deep42thought> but ...
[07:27:57] <deep42thought> a) tyzoids monitor does not send emails
[07:28:03] <abaumann> ah.
[07:28:06] <deep42thought> b) my monitor sends emails, but I cannot renew them
[07:28:33] <deep42thought> c) probably they _are_ auto-renewed, but the nginx is not auto-restarted, so they don't get loaded ...
[07:28:53] <abaumann> yeah. we have to make sure to exchange more credentials, just for the case somebody doesn't have time (or internet, that is) to fix things.. :-)
[07:31:20] <deep42thought> I have login data to many things, but git.archlinux32.org is not one of them ...
[07:31:53] <abaumann> I can still check in and check out.. so not really a problem :-)
[07:32:05] <deep42thought> I meant ssh login
[07:32:09] <abaumann> ah.
[07:32:13] <deep42thought> so I could renew the cert
[07:33:32] <abaumann> no hurry :-)
[07:33:49] <abaumann> reflector32, the source code run away..?
[07:34:00] <deep42thought> it did???
[07:34:33] <abaumann> mmh. no, my last build used a bootstrap.db. It's eurobuild3. So, I have to check that..
[07:34:48] <deep42thought> https://git.archlinux32.org
[07:35:18] <abaumann> "This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that SeaMonkey only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate."
[07:35:29] <abaumann> that I call security. :-)
[07:35:45] <deep42thought> :-D
[07:35:54] <abaumann> let me retrigger reflector onto my slave..
[07:36:07] <deep42thought> I have to go, cu later
[07:36:13] <abaumann> ok, np, cu.
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[07:53:16] <abaumann> ==> ERROR: Failure while downloading https://sources.archlinux32.org
[07:53:19] <abaumann> aha.
[07:56:02] <buildmaster> i686/reflector is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[09:06:09] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[09:06:09] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[09:06:10] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> it was too slow - they don't offer that speed anymore, so they rounded down to 0
[09:09:12] <deep42thought> hmm, reflector does not come with a vcs source ...
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[10:07:56] <rebag> hey guys
[10:08:19] <rebag> I give up installing archlinux32 on my laptop eeepc 32bits
[10:08:37] <deep42thought> sry to hear that
[10:08:53] <rebag> Too complicated, too much errors, no answers here, forum online, I didn't get the password, dunno why
[10:08:58] <rebag> yeah me too
[10:09:13] <rebag> but this installation has serious issues
[10:09:43] <deep42thought> what kind of issues?
[10:09:44] <rebag> cinnamon says it's software rendering
[10:09:52] <deep42thought> ah, right :-/
[10:09:53] <rebag> I can't install pamac directly
[10:10:49] <rebag> I'm very sorry guys, It seems to be a good work but I spend nearly a whole day to install it
[10:11:26] <deep42thought> "time sink os" ;-)
[10:12:11] <rebag> further more I have installed all the drivers on X (it's an intel chipset) as written on the wiki, but it seems software rendering is related to some issues with X
[10:12:18] <rebag> and I get nothing relevant in the logs
[10:12:20] <rebag> X logx
[10:13:26] <rebag> I wish there was something like antergos32bits or manjaro32bits but :(
[10:13:44] <deep42thought> I thought, there was manjaro32
[10:13:47] <rebag> returning to debian testing it's the best choice for me at the moment
[10:14:02] <rebag> deep42thought, I've tested it, it's so old (2017) that upgrade fails
[10:14:40] <deep42thought> apparently I'm not up-to-date on the discontinuation of several products :-)
[10:14:56] <rebag> yeah, some packages were corrupted :(
[10:15:16] <rebag> sad because it installs correctly tho
[10:15:27] <rebag> no software rendering problems
[10:16:17] <rebag> thanks guys for the good work but it seems eeepc is not suited for this distro ;)
[10:19:25] <deep42thought> hmm, abaumann is running arch32 on an eeepc on a regular basis and I also use an eeepc witch arch32 (not that often, though, but it runs)
[10:21:40] <abaumann> I'm not using a window manager like cinammon, which is more suited for modern pcs. I'm either going with xfce or with notion/ion3/awesome
[10:22:05] <abaumann> cinamon might just simply need proper hardware acceleration and modern GPUs
[10:22:12] <abaumann> not too familiar with it.. :-)
[10:24:14] <abaumann> yeah. manjaro32 always messes up the X stuff after an upgrade.. I tried that old ISO, which worked, but not being able to update is not really good.. so far I blamed it on the virtual machines and their way of emulating video hardware..
[10:24:32] <abaumann> let me try to give cinamon a shot on a virtual machine..
[10:24:59] <rebag> indeed I even on a real machine, manjaro failed
[10:25:14] <rebag> -I
[10:25:41] <abaumann> well, the problem really is, there is just a handful (and I mean it literaly) number of people doing all the packaging and testing, so..
[10:25:58] <abaumann> wasn't jonathon the manjaro32 guy?
[10:26:16] <deep42thought> I'm bad with names
[10:26:44] <abaumann> the problem really is: the easy to use archlinux-based distros all dropped their 32-bit support.
[10:26:58] <abaumann> and for archlinux32 you have to be willing to debug issues a little bit on your own.
[10:27:05] <abaumann> parabola might be the exception here..
[10:27:08] <rebag> yeah exactly
[10:27:58] <abaumann> mmh. lightdm gives me two options: Cinammon and Cinammon (software rendering)
[10:29:11] <abaumann> yeah. the GPU-accelerated version falls back to the software rendering version
[10:29:38] <rebag> is parabola a good distro ?
[10:30:03] <abaumann> actually, not terrible to use eeven in software mode via a virtualbox onto a eeepc 701 as graphical terminal. :-)
[10:30:12] <abaumann> I have seen worse. :->
[10:30:24] <abaumann> starts with a K*..
[10:31:43] <abaumann> quite snappy acutally.. based on an old gnome version.. not bad.
[10:33:27] <abaumann> [ 239.539] (EE) modeset(0): glamor initialization failed
[10:33:42] <abaumann> so, is this related to 3D acceleration
[10:36:27] <abaumann> glxinfo | grep rendering, shows me direct rendering: Yes, so..
[10:38:01] <bill-auger> rebag: FWIW parabola is essentialy arch-libre - it is as close to arch as possible, removing only the bits that are lacking source code
[10:38:47] <bill-auger> so that question really reduces to: "is arch still a good distro if you remove all the bits that are lacking source code?"
[10:38:58] <abaumann> I don't really know, what parabola does about all those binary firmware blobs being loaded into the kernel..
[10:39:11] <bill-auger> they remove them
[10:39:12] <abaumann> ..many hardware just stops working or stops working fast.
[10:39:34] <bill-auger> thats the linux-libre kernel actually - same that all FSF-approved distros use
[10:39:42] <abaumann> I know people useing parabola and readding the essential binary stuff.. but that is a little bit against the idea of parabola..
[10:40:04] <bill-auger> user can do whatever they like though
[10:40:37] <bill-auger> they just need to get the blobs elsewhere and know how to install them
[10:40:53] <abaumann> yeah, but if the industry continues to give us basically hardware bricks with proprietary software enabling the functions of the hardware, future doesn't look too bright.. :-(
[10:41:05] <bill-auger> which in the case of the kernel moduiles is simply replcing the linux-libre kernel
[10:41:10] <abaumann> yep.
[10:41:34] <bill-auger> the future is looking like RISC-V and POWER9
[10:41:35] <rebag> bill-auger, what do you you mean with "bits that are lacking source code" ? Binary/prop software ?
[10:41:46] <bill-auger> yes rebag
[10:41:49] <rebag> aye
[10:41:56] <rebag> then it's not good for me too :/
[10:43:07] <bill-auger> again the blobs you want are almost certainly all part of the kernel - tats just a single package
[10:44:15] <abaumann> rebag: so, you have an old Intel GPU, something i915-ish or so?
[10:44:36] <abaumann> just checked on my eeepc. I never bothered to enable hardware acceleration.
[10:44:53] <abaumann> I use the thing basically as a 2D-workstation with terminals and a browser :-)
[10:45:17] <rebag> (installing now) but yes I think so
[10:46:05] <deep42thought> we need more-hipsterish devs - our current devs use their hardware too low-levely to notice any bugs in "new" software/features
[10:46:21] <abaumann> :-)
[10:46:29] <bill-auger> i cant imagine "3d-workstation" being important to anyone other than artists and game devs
[10:46:51] <abaumann> glossy transparent wallpapers and background behind your terminal.. :-)
[10:46:52] <bill-auger> for most people who do "work" on their computer, 2D is sufficient
[10:47:08] <abaumann> so, plain text mode is 1D? ;-)
[10:47:16] <deep42thought> it's also nice when the windows burn down and emit smoke when you close them
[10:47:18] <bill-auger> even 0D can often suffice
[10:47:25] <deep42thought> !grab bill-auger
[10:47:26] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[10:47:26] <bill-auger> zero-D many
[10:47:35] <abaumann> :-)
[10:48:12] <bill-auger> zero-D is like: at no point in the virtual metaverse
[10:48:51] <abaumann> deep42thought: https://archlinux32.org
[10:48:53] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 - List of Build Slaves (at archlinux32.org)
[10:49:03] <abaumann> most build slaves are sleeping.. also mine..
[10:49:13] <deep42thought> git.archlinux32.org cert problems, I guess
[10:49:30] <abaumann> aha. really?
[10:49:37] <abaumann> I can do a git pull in the packages32 repo by hand
[10:50:12] <deep42thought> Mär 21 10:46:49 nlopc46.ioq.uni-jena.de build-packages[8141]: come back (shortly) later - I cannot lock build list.
[10:50:13] <deep42thought> Mär 21 10:46:49 nlopc46.ioq.uni-jena.de build-packages[8141]: get-assignment told me:
[10:50:19] <deep42thought> Mär 21 10:46:49 nlopc46.ioq.uni-jena.de build-packages[8141]: come back (shortly) later - I was running already
[10:50:32] <deep42thought> ... so it's trying, but the buildmaster is busy
[10:50:38] <abaumann> 2019-03-21 10:50:18: building package "molequeue" (revisions 5dbe08f697abab8f6bb84ee8a1e6e26570544bf8 e6280ef9d39e4c7c60264f9404325d6331aa6ad9, repository extra, straw :) ...
[10:50:42] <abaumann> seems ok on eurobuild3
[10:52:36] <abaumann> mmh. builds fine..
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[10:54:20] <abaumann> could also be a stale lock..
[10:55:00] <deep42thought> they are created by flock
[10:55:06] <deep42thought> so they shouldn't get stale ...
[10:55:47] <abaumann> mmh. right.
[10:56:12] <abaumann> ok. the buildmaster does some 100% mysqld thingy currently.. so..
[10:56:59] <abaumann> aha. now rechenknecht and buildknecht are also doing somthing..
[10:57:08] <abaumann> buildknecht did before.
[10:57:17] <abaumann> seems temporary :-)
[10:57:46] <deep42thought> I was also thinking, if we want to put the heavy mysql actions on a different box, maybe
[10:58:23] <deep42thought> the problem I see with this approach is, that the infos of these queries must be verified afterwards, because the database could be in a different state, then ...
[10:59:32] <abaumann> yeah. that's most likely asking for inconsistencies..
[10:59:57] <abaumann> first: add more resouces, second: try to optimize..
[10:59:58] <abaumann> :-)
[11:08:18] <abaumann> OPTIMIZE TABLE ssh_log;
[11:08:21] <abaumann> | buildmaster.ssh_log | optimize | note | Table does not support optimize, doing recreate + analyze instead |
[11:08:34] <abaumann> cool. and this after 2 minutes of running..
[11:08:56] <abaumann> I'm trying to optimize all tables with a lot of rows..
[11:09:00] <abaumann> SELECT table_name, table_rows FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE TABLE_SCHEMA = 'buildmaster';
[11:09:51] <abaumann> I'm pretty sure Mysql will not f*ck up my data during the process.. :->
[11:09:56] <deep42thought> LOL
[11:10:20] <abaumann> I had a monitoring station running amok lately (99% I/O)..
[11:10:20] <deep42thought> not, if it doesn't get killed by systemd due to too excessive memory usage ;-P
[11:10:28] <abaumann> ..it was a Zabbix on a PostgreSQL.
[11:10:39] <abaumann> Doing a pg_fulldump and reimport recovered the situation.
[11:11:17] <abaumann> so this can be a problem of long running databases.. they get their optimizers using stale statistical samples.. data structures get inefficient.. especially if using a lot of MODIFY TABLE and stuff.
[11:12:06] <abaumann> OTOH: we just rebuilt the database lately from the backup.. mmmh.
[11:15:57] <abaumann> It was still running with 48 MB of main memory or so.. the default setting.. :-)
[11:16:09] <abaumann> that postgres, I mean
[11:16:13] <deep42thought> ah, ok
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[11:58:19] <buildmaster> i686/libotf is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[12:32:28] <buildmaster> i686/pbpst is broken (says eurobuild3).
[12:56:17] <buildmaster> i686/sslsplit is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[13:21:27] <buildmaster> i686/pflask is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[17:18:12] <buildmaster> i686/zathura-cb is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[17:48:16] <buildmaster> i686/zathura-pdf-poppler is broken (says eurobuild3).
[18:17:59] <buildmaster> i686/zathura-djvu is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[18:48:01] <buildmaster> i686/zathura-ps are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[20:15:17] <buildmaster> Hi tyzoid!
[20:15:17] <buildmaster> !rq tyzoid
[20:15:18] <phrik> buildmaster: <tyzoid> sangy: I wonder if anyone has init=/usr/bin/emacs before
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[22:22:17] <buildmaster> Hi girls!
[22:22:17] <buildmaster> !rq girls
[22:22:18] <phrik> buildmaster: <girls> I'm married, I don't cook
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