#archlinux32 | Logs for 2021-02-23

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[05:31:22] <sunshavi> my pacman is not working because it need glibc-2.33
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[06:23:14] <girls> sunshavi: there is only glibc-2.33
[06:23:37] <girls> what exact error does it show?
[06:24:37] <sunshavi> pacman is not working it requires glibc-2.33 i was doing a partial update
[06:25:05] <girls> can you bsdtar the old pacman?
[06:25:36] <sunshavi> let me see if bsdtar is still working tar is not working
[06:25:42] <girls> :-/
[06:27:13] <sunshavi> bsdtar is not working also
[06:27:18] <sunshavi> sudo is not working
[06:27:22] <sunshavi> su is not working
[06:27:22] <girls> hindsight: it's a bad idea to hold glibc back
[06:27:32] <girls> can you become root somehow?
[06:27:41] <girls> login prompt or similar?
[06:27:54] <girls> I think, Eli still publishes pacman-static binaries
[06:28:10] <sunshavi> where I could get it
[06:28:23] <girls> I'm looking for it ...
[06:28:57] <sunshavi> nice. I went there after more 120 days just for cross-compiling And got this mess :)
[06:29:39] <girls> https://pkgbuild.com
[06:29:40] <phrik> Title: Index of /~eschwartz/repo/i686-extracted/ (at pkgbuild.com)
[06:30:01] <girls> curl does work, right?
[06:30:31] <girls> bbl, good luck
[06:30:33] <sunshavi> ssh connection is not possible. But still I have one opened
[06:32:28] <sunshavi> pacman-static is there. Now. how to get root?
[06:52:29] <girls> no idea
[06:52:36] <sunshavi> an exploit?
[06:53:04] <sunshavi> busybox is still working
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[07:00:03] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[07:00:03] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[07:00:04] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> deep42thought: you cannot break cmake, it's already broken.. ;-)
[07:00:11] <abaumann> hi gang :-)
[07:00:20] <abaumann> partial upgrades are _not_ supported :-)
[07:00:46] <abaumann> I also hit it, because I tried to be smart and just do a 'pacman -Syy pacman' and then the rest.
[07:01:01] <abaumann> glibc between 2.32 and 2.33 has a breaking ABI, so you _cannot_ partially upgrade.
[07:01:11] <abaumann> This is not and will never be supported.
[07:01:19] <sunshavi> too bad for me
[07:01:30] <abaumann> You can get a pacman-static
[07:01:32] <sunshavi> Hi abaumann
[07:01:34] <sunshavi> I got it
[07:01:38] <abaumann> hi sunshavi
[07:01:42] <sunshavi> now the problem is getting root
[07:01:45] <girls> abaumann: he doesn't have root, though
[07:01:49] <abaumann> oh.
[07:01:51] <girls> su-static :-D
[07:02:09] <abaumann> yeah. openssh also depends on glibc (till it gets rewritten in Rust presumably)
[07:02:10] <girls> elibrokeit: how about *that*^ ?
[07:02:25] <abaumann> mmh. actually.
[07:02:26] <girls> the ssh connection is still alive ...
[07:02:40] <abaumann> a ramdisk with pacman-static and an openssh server would be neat. :-)
[07:03:14] <abaumann> the only thing you can do is execute 'pacman-static -Syyuu'
[07:03:24] <abaumann> wget doesn't work to download an archive version of pacman
[07:03:42] <sunshavi> i hava pacman static
[07:03:43] <abaumann> but it's just pacman.
[07:03:54] <abaumann> you can untar a package and just copy files manually.
[07:04:13] <sunshavi> ssh conn lost
[07:04:27] <sunshavi> untar. perhaps with busybox
[07:04:36] <abaumann> that's an option
[07:04:49] <abaumann> everything link statically against glibc will still work.
[07:04:55] <abaumann> this is not much IIRC
[07:05:33] <sunshavi> busybox sulogin works?
[07:06:35] <abaumann> you said, you upgraded only pacman? this is weird, because then only pacman should stop to work, not tar or anything else..
[07:06:55] <abaumann> you upgraded glibc 2.33 so, now basically every command breaks.
[07:07:33] <sunshavi> i cp libc.2.33 to /usr/lib that broke the rest
[07:07:43] <abaumann> yeah,
[07:08:09] <abaumann> a, you copied libc-2.33 to make pacman work again, I understand.
[07:09:04] <abaumann> best is to find a glibc 2.32, copy it pacman, making thus the system work again (without pacman), then use pacman-static to reinstall an old pacman linked against glibc 2.32
[07:09:14] <abaumann> but the tricky part is now to do anything with the system
[07:09:25] <abaumann> when not even cp works :-)
[07:10:05] <sunshavi> now I am dealing with busybox. I have just cp pacman-static to /tmp
[07:10:21] <sunshavi> and now chmod 777 pacman-static
[07:10:28] <sunshavi> i Just need root
[07:11:08] <abaumann> isn't there an 'su' in busybox?
[07:11:46] <abaumann> but I'm not sure that one can work around for instance PAM (which again is linked against the wrong glibc)
[07:11:59] <sunshavi> it says: su must be suid to work properly
[07:12:01] <abaumann> that's the only way to get root
[07:12:45] <abaumann> chmod u+x su
[07:12:49] <abaumann> aeh u+s
[07:13:59] <abaumann> where is your 'su'? if you are unlucky, you cannot change the sticky bit on it (depends on it's and the dirs permissions)
[07:15:12] <sunshavi> how exploits become root?
[07:15:41] <abaumann> via known security bugs.. hopefully none in Archlinux :-)
[07:16:36] <abaumann> if you have enough space and some sort of download still works, you can use pacman-static to install a working chroot..
[07:16:41] <abaumann> but..
[07:16:45] <abaumann> ..you are not root..
[07:16:46] <abaumann> mmh
[07:17:51] <abaumann> chmod u+s busybox of course, it's one binary with usually 'su' pointing as symlink to it.
[07:18:14] <sunshavi> let me see.
[07:19:55] <sunshavi> same error
[07:20:06] <sunshavi> even i cp it to /tmp/
[07:20:44] <sunshavi> pendrive with arch32?
[07:21:10] <abaumann> there is a symlink from let's say /tmp/su to /tmp/busybox and /tmp/busybox has 's' set?
[07:21:48] <sunshavi> ln -s busybox su?
[07:22:18] <abaumann> yep
[07:22:51] <abaumann> busybox uses the argv[0] to do a big switch inside it's main function to go to the right function
[07:23:01] <abaumann> IIRC also 'busybox su' should work.
[07:23:39] <abaumann> *abaumann installs a busybox - has already a pacman-static, just in case :-)
[07:24:25] <sunshavi> nice. maybe for next time
[07:24:40] <sunshavi> ./su same error as before
[07:25:17] <abaumann> mount | grep /tmp
[07:25:20] <abaumann> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=32768k)
[07:25:52] <abaumann> the nosuid there means that the suid bit is ignored when the file resides in /tmp
[07:26:19] <abaumann> this is because everybody could upload binary code to your /tmp (let's say via a php upload or so) and make your code executable.
[07:26:27] <abaumann> and voila - root access to the machine.
[07:26:41] <sunshavi> right
[07:26:49] <abaumann> either try to remount /tmp without nosuid or use bosybox in another directory (_not_ /var/tmp :-) )
[07:27:02] <sunshavi> on home?
[07:27:23] <abaumann> as long it's not systemd-homed managed :->
[07:27:32] <abaumann> yes, that should be ok.
[07:29:18] <sunshavi> same as before
[07:30:44] <sunshavi> su has lrwxrwxrwx
[07:30:53] <abaumann> and busybox?
[07:31:12] <abaumann> it has to be owned by root,
[07:31:23] <abaumann> which is not the case when you just copy it.
[07:31:57] <sunshavi> -rwsr-xr-x
[07:32:08] <abaumann> but belonging to you or root?
[07:32:13] <sunshavi> to me
[07:32:21] <abaumann> setuid means it gets the user of the owner of the file.
[07:32:29] <abaumann> yep. so it does a 'su <you>'
[07:33:03] <abaumann> the installed busybox from the Archlinux package has suid not set per default. This is most likely a good thing in terms of security, but not so good for us now..
[07:33:40] <abaumann> in order to change the owner of your busybox in your home to root you would have to be.. well root.
[07:34:03] <sunshavi> chicken egg
[07:34:11] <abaumann> yep.
[07:34:52] <abaumann> busybox sudo
[07:34:52] <abaumann> sudo: applet not found
[07:34:59] <abaumann> yeah, would have been too good.
[07:35:09] <sunshavi> busybox sulogin works for you?
[07:36:18] <abaumann> ls -al busybox
[07:36:18] <abaumann> -rwsrwxr-x 1 root root 1090696 Feb 23 07:27 busybox
[07:36:20] <abaumann> ./busybox su
[07:36:20] <abaumann> Password:
[07:36:35] <abaumann> yes, but only because I set the proper ownership of couse
[07:36:36] <abaumann> *course
[07:38:37] <sunshavi> pendrive with arch32?
[07:38:49] <abaumann> I just tried './busybox telnetd -F -p 9999' and then a 'telnet <server> 9999'
[07:39:01] <abaumann> it gives me a prompt, but no login.
[07:39:11] <sunshavi> mmm
[07:39:18] <abaumann> ah, if you have physical access to the machine..
[07:39:40] <sunshavi> Yes. I have access
[07:39:55] <abaumann> ah?
[07:40:33] <abaumann> as root?
[07:40:57] <abaumann> well, yes. then that's the only option I can think of
[07:41:27] <sunshavi> not root. same problem on physical machine as it was on ssh. I have also lost the ssh connection
[07:47:19] <sunshavi> should i boot with the pendrive?
[07:47:40] <sunshavi> perhaps it is better having and up-to-date version on the pendrive?
[07:48:51] <abaumann> you just need glibc-2.32 on the pendrive.
[07:49:12] <abaumann> So you can copy it to over thus making everything work normally again (except pacman)
[07:49:54] <abaumann> then either downgrade pacman to a version using glibc-2.32 (with pacman-static) and do a full update afterwards with pacman
[07:50:06] <abaumann> or you can also do a full update with pacman-static
[07:50:32] <sunshavi> how to install glibc 2.32 without pacman?
[07:50:34] <abaumann> so, I would go with an older version (assuming it's glibc 2.32 based and not older)
[07:50:36] <abaumann> cp?
[07:50:47] <abaumann> copy it from the pendrive to /usr/lib on the host
[07:51:00] <abaumann> it's just a file - though a rather important one
[07:51:27] <abaumann> this will be fixed once you install glibc 2.33 with a full update
[07:52:04] <sunshavi> libc.2.32 and a symlink to libc.so?
[07:52:22] <sunshavi> that is enough?
[07:52:49] <abaumann> ls -al /usr/lib/libc.so.6
[07:52:52] <abaumann> /usr/lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.33.so
[07:53:06] <abaumann> /usr/lib/libc.so
[07:53:09] <abaumann> well.
[07:53:29] <abaumann> ah.
[07:53:36] <abaumann> /usr/lib/libc.so is just a linker script.
[07:54:32] <abaumann> so putting /usr/lib/libc-2.32.so there and changing the symlink should be enough..
[07:55:01] <abaumann> you can always test from the pendrive by doing a arch-chroot into your hosts system
[07:55:11] <abaumann> and see if you can execute commands correctly
[07:57:20] <sunshavi> kernel 4.14 on my pendrive. now downloading glibc-2.32
[08:28:17] <sunshavi> updating glibc with pacman-static
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[09:50:23] <sunshavi> fixed an updated
[09:50:33] <abaumann> \o/
[09:50:37] <sunshavi> girls: thanks
[09:50:44] <sunshavi> abaumann: thanks
[09:50:48] <abaumann> np
[09:51:26] <sunshavi> nice i need to cross-compile something for win32. That was my goal before messing everything
[09:52:18] <abaumann> I know that feeling.. ah.. let's just update.. fast.. 2 hours later you scratch your head.. :-)
[09:52:29] <abaumann> everybody has been there..
[09:53:06] <sunshavi> lol. I have turned on that machine 120d
[09:54:31] <sunshavi> abaumann: BTW thanks for updating firefox
[09:55:17] <abaumann> np. sadly it's the only working browser more or less currently because libseccomp jailing hits all the others..
[09:57:20] <sunshavi> that's an issue
[09:58:10] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux32.org
[09:58:12] <phrik> Title: FS#162 : most browsers break in secomp sanboxing (at bugs.archlinux32.org)
[09:58:17] <abaumann> There is a bug though..
[09:58:23] <abaumann> https://voidlinux.org
[09:58:24] <phrik> Title: Upcoming glibc upgrade requires updates for other packages on 32-bit machines (at voidlinux.org)
[09:58:49] <abaumann> with a little bit more hands (and brains) we could test this in advance and do what voidlinux does.
[09:59:05] <abaumann> but they are one version behind (glibc, at least)
[09:59:44] <sunshavi> I also have an SBC with arm-32
[10:00:20] <sunshavi> 5.11 has been an issue there. downgraded to 5.10.16
[10:00:29] <abaumann> cool. yeah, archlinuxarm has similar problems. It's just that 32-bit is getting obsolete on ARM too
[10:00:50] <abaumann> I still have first generation RaspPIs with armv6 around. :-)
[10:01:01] <abaumann> as important and central infrastructure like backup with bacula..
[10:01:35] <sunshavi> Right. on freebsd arm-32 is tier-2 an aarch64 is tier-1
[10:11:03] <abaumann> ah IA-32 went from tier 1 to tier 2 in FreeBSD 13.x
[10:11:55] <abaumann> would love to see riscv32 somewhere..
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[10:53:30] <ignapk> hmm why is steam in the repos if it doesn't support 32 bit?
[10:56:45] <girls> ignapk: maybe nobody bothered to blacklist it and it "builds"
[11:00:06] <ignapk> wow, I don't know which update it was but tracker-extract no longer segfaults when opening images from nautilus, yay
[11:00:13] <sunshavi> abauman: mingw-a64-binutils is giving me issues when cross compiling
[11:02:09] <sunshavi> DWARF errors
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[11:35:34] <sunshavi> I have downgraded
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[12:01:08] <trotz> 2021/02/23 12:00 OK buildmaster OS updates 0 updates, 0 ignored
[12:15:33] <eschwartz> sunshavi, abaumann: yeah, *every* glibc update is backward-compatible but not forward-compatible :)
[12:21:02] <eschwartz> note that busybox is configured with CONFIG_FEATURE_SUID=y so you *could* chmod it setuid and it will drop privileges
[12:21:16] <eschwartz> but I don't install it setuid by default
[12:21:48] <eschwartz> https://github.com
[12:21:49] <phrik> Title: busybox/Config.in at bb15969333d0476256c92edc068894a50d9159d4 · mirror/busybox · GitHub (at github.com)
[12:25:42] <eschwartz> actually I wonder if I should make a split package for only the binaries that need to run as root
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[14:24:29] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[14:24:29] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[14:24:30] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> I sometimes wonder anyway: so many Linux distros and all they to is copy build descriptions from each other :-)
[14:25:10] <abaumann> eschwartz: you could have a /usr/bin/busybox without setuid and a /usr/sbin/securebusybox with setuid set..
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[15:52:55] <sunshavi> good morning guys
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[17:39:03] <buildmaster> i486/binutils are broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[17:58:43] <buildmaster> i686/bluedevil is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[17:59:23] <buildmaster> pentium4/bluedevil is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[18:00:07] <buildmaster> any/breeze-grub is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[18:00:08] <buildmaster> any/breeze-gtk is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[18:02:02] <buildmaster> i686/discover is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[18:02:41] <buildmaster> pentium4/discover is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[18:03:13] <buildmaster> i686/drkonqi is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[18:03:22] <buildmaster> i686/plasma-integration is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:44:06] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[18:44:06] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[18:44:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> if fail -> try again (hard)
[18:44:11] <buildmaster> i686/kactivitymanagerd is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[18:44:11] <abaumann> Careful: "Moving to Zstandard images by default on mkinitcpio
[18:44:48] <abaumann> I really hope that linux-lts is also enabling zstd. I'm for now sticking to gzip on 32-bit, I had too many problems with zstd everywhere..
[18:45:58] <buildmaster> i686/qtcreator is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[18:47:08] <buildmaster> pentium4/qtcreator is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[18:47:08] <buildmaster> pentium4/kactivitymanagerd is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[18:48:08] <buildmaster> i686/kdecoration is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[18:48:10] <buildmaster> pentium4/kscreenlocker is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[18:50:45] <buildmaster> pentium4/kdecoration is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[18:52:39] <buildmaster> i686/kscreenlocker is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[18:54:07] <buildmaster> i686/libksysguard is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[18:54:09] <buildmaster> pentium4/kwayland-server is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[18:54:10] <buildmaster> i686/kwayland-server is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
[18:54:10] <buildmaster> pentium4/libksysguard is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[18:56:16] <buildmaster> i686/libkscreen is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[18:56:21] <buildmaster> pentium4/libkscreen is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[19:03:16] <buildmaster> pentium4/plasma-integration is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[19:04:10] <buildmaster> pentium4/kde-cli-tools are broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[19:04:16] <buildmaster> pentium4/kmenuedit is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[19:05:07] <buildmaster> i686/kmenuedit is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[19:05:14] <buildmaster> i686/polkit-kde-agent is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[19:06:04] <buildmaster> i686/kde-cli-tools are broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[19:07:03] <buildmaster> i686/milou is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[19:07:19] <buildmaster> pentium4/drkonqi is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[19:08:23] <buildmaster> pentium4/milou is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[19:08:30] <buildmaster> i686/ksshaskpass are broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[19:09:31] <buildmaster> pentium4/ksshaskpass are broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[19:12:12] <buildmaster> i686/kwallet-pam is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[19:13:09] <buildmaster> pentium4/polkit-kde-agent is broken (says nlopc43): https://archlinux32.org
[19:13:10] <buildmaster> pentium4/kwallet-pam is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[19:13:26] <buildmaster> pentium4/kwayland-integration is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[19:14:53] <buildmaster> i686/kwrited is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[19:15:02] <buildmaster> i686/kwayland-integration is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
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[19:17:19] <buildmaster> !rq buildmaster
[19:17:20] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
[19:17:40] <buildmaster> pentium4/kwrited is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
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[19:19:29] <buildmaster> pentium4/plasma-sdk is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[19:19:30] <buildmaster> i686/plasma-sdk is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[19:19:39] <buildmaster> i686/xdg-desktop-portal-kde is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[19:20:35] <buildmaster> any/plasma-workspace-wallpapers are broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[19:21:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/xdg-desktop-portal-kde is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
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[22:27:16] <buildmaster> i686/pyside6 is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[22:32:35] <buildmaster> pentium4/pyside6 is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org